ACT is NZs most liberal party and shares its most right wing status with NZ First.
This is about the things i hate most about politicians - their lying, deceiving, lack of context ,manipulation and refusing to answer questions. This happens mostly on the right cause theyre like a broken clock,only right 2x a day.
ACT (the Association of Consumers and Taxpayers) began as a policy pressure group in 1993 founded by Roger Douglas and Derek Quigley, emerging out of the earlier Backbone Club—a pro-neoliberal “ginger group” inside the Labour Party that had backed Douglas’ free-market reforms, known as Rogernomics, in the 1980s. . When New Zealand shifted to MMP in 1996, the Association transformed into a formal political party. Douglas became ACT’s first leader but soon stepped aside for Richard Prebble, a former Labour Cabinet minister and Douglas’ long-time ally during the Rogernomics era, who went on to lead ACT into its first electoral successes.
The Atlas Network is a US-based umbrella organisation that supports hundreds of free-market think tanks around the world. Its core goal is to promote neoliberal and libertarian policy agendas—lower taxes, deregulation, privatisation of public services, reduced government spending, and an expanded role for private enterprise. Rather than acting as a political party, Atlas works by training activists, providing strategic advice, distributing grants to aligned think tanks, and supplying ready-made policy templates that can be adapted in different countries. Supporters describe it as a global network for “classical liberal” ideas; critics characterise it as a coordinated engine for advancing corporate-friendly economics and weakening democratic oversight by shifting policy-making into privately funded think-tank environments.
David Seymour’s links to Atlas come from his time overseas and from his long-standing involvement with organisations within the Atlas ecosystem. Before entering Parliament, Seymour worked with Canadian free-market think tanks that are Atlas partners, and he attended Atlas-run leadership or training programmes often described as “micro-MBA”–style courses for political aspirants and policy activists. He has publicly referred to figures within the network as “old friends,” and has appeared at or promoted events connected to Atlas-affiliated organisations. While Seymour denies that Atlas influences ACT policy directly, his professional background, training, and public associations place him firmly within the ideological and institutional orbit of Atlas-style neoliberal activism, and this network continues to overlap with groups that shape ACT’s broader policy environment in New Zealand.
ACT wants neo liberalism on steroids. More privatisation , lower taxes and less government regulation. You know all the things thats made economies worse since their founders introduced neo liberalism in 1984. Roger Douglas, wrote the influential book Unfinished Business (1993), believed their NZ economy conversion to neo liberalism had not gone far enough nor was was not finished, hence forming ACT party.
But they cant say that and have to use emotive flowery stories rather than fact to sway people into more bad ides.
As this is about lies and misleading and bad rhetoric its about the main players in ACT party
Seyour is wrongly described in wikipedia as a libertarian . Thats the incorrect usa meaning. Seymour is not a libertarian hes a classical or neo-liberal . Libertarian means anarchist and has been incorrectly co-opted by USA here in
wiki.
Ive described why hes wrong on his Treaty Principals Bill separately
here .
This is what i detest about these lying right wing pricks esp ACT and NZ First
@9m15s - taxing wealth in capital is couched as "your problems are the success of others and they are ill gotten gains and the system must be torn down and its not evolutionary but revolutionary" -
This is right wing rhetoric and lies that are emotional populist garbage designed to appeal to the ignorant and stupid.
Its not surprising studys show those on the right have lower emotional intelligence and its appealing to this.
Taxing capital is good . Its just not good for rich people . He can disagree and honestly argue that taxing capital is bad but hes not. He uses vague fear mongering narratives that arent factual or can be debated but are just BULLSHIT .
I would be happy if Labour and Greens are socialist but they are not - Socialists would tear down the capitalism to make an economy that is commonly owned - but Labour and Greens only want to reform capitalism . Neither party have the common ownership of the means of production distribution and exchange in their constitution as a goal.
Yes,ocialists are radical as thats partly how the left are defined -radical and progressive and the more left are revolutionary- but NZ Labour party isnt radical or progressive . The Greens certainly arent radical. Just as Bernie Sanders who called himself a socialist, wasnt a socialist as he advocated no socialist policys but USA was too politically illiterate to recognise that.
Not even the most radical Karl Marx who described the rotten capitalist system (Seymour wants more of) did not describe it that way. He describe private property as power , that capitalists accumulated that wealth not because they were greedy but because they also were locked in a system of competition and survival just as much as the wage slave and had to compete to survive. It was neither a moral or emotional argument .
David Seymour's School Lunch Toxic Right Wing USA Conservative Rhetoric
It seems ACT leader David Seymour is adopting US right-wing derogatory rhetoric, a move previously associated more with NZ First. Its a manipulation tactic. He's labelled aspects of the government school lunch program as "woke," which is a concerning turn.
Here Seymour and shyster Plunket goes on about woke food. pure usa toxic rightwing bs. Food cant be woke in it its original justice meaning .
Seymour on woke food - for them woke means healthy food.
Act in Herald article
here says,
"He also said young people are looking at the housing market and seeing “little hope” and wondering if they aren’t better off overseas”. Many decide they are. Those who stay are infected by universities with the woke mind viruses of identity politics, Marxism, and post-modernism."
Problems with his Seymour's rhetoric;
Misuse of terminology: Applying the term "woke" to food demonstrates a misunderstanding or intentional misuse of the term. Food simply isn't "woke."
Lack of substantive critique: By relying on buzzwords, Seymour fails to provide a fact-based argument against the current lunch program.
Potential for misleading rhetoric: This approach mirrors tactics used by right-wing groups in the US and NZ First, potentially manipulating public opinion without actually addressing any real issues.
Nutritional Concerns
The arguments not about health its about cost to taxpayers. Seymour has not provided what he said he would ie fruit and sandwich's. Ironically, some of the alternatives proposed by Seymour are less healthy. With concerns about the quality of ingredients, particularly the use of non-organic chicken that contain harmful additives.
I cant emphasis enough how bad it is Seymours using backward toxic language from the evil backwards usa empire . Using woke to describe food he dislikes is further distorting and butchering the word woke so it becomes meaningless. As Yuval Harari says when you destroy truth the only government type left that can function is authoritarian dictatorship. Granted NZ isnt as bad as usa as we dont have a trump but its disgusting we have 2 right wing parties doing there best to create it.
Dont think liberalism (and capitalism) is designed for democracy either . It was practised under a chilean dictatoship before being forced on and unleashed on the world in 1979 uk , 1981 usa and 1984 NZ.
The irony of Seymour going to and benefiting from one of NZs best public schools (Auckland Boys Grammar) and wanting to tear down and privatise education is hypocritical.
Seymours politican talk and lies of Labour becoming radical,
here . Labour was born from semi radical ideas of unions and socialists for the day introducing welfare and more universal public health care in the
Social Security Act of 1938 in its first tern in government. Labours height of radical is 1935 and the welfare (which is not considered radical) today accept in usa). Labour has been declining in radicalism since then . If Labour re nationalised electricity companies and others again or increased tax in high tax bracket it would still not be radical, redoing old policys is not radical.
per my comments'
I HATE LYING MANIPULATING POLITICANS AND THE RIGHT WING DOES IT THE MOST
- @3m20s seymours talking about a flip flop govt on steroids , if greens reverse permits - thtas bullshit the greens arent flip flopping policy - they are clear - seymours referring to the govt under all parties which includes himself, ergo the same applies to that hypocritical wanker - he could not allow permits knowing they will be reversed. He is part of the flip flop.
thats just pure bullshit and gaslighting by seymour
I HATE LYING MANIPULATING POLITICANS AND THE RIGHT WING DOES IT THE MOST
@3m40s - seymours blaming high electricity prices on lack of investment because of new gas drilling and oil permits cancellations . Electricity is mostly renewable in nz not fossil fuel based thou huntly plays a part.
NO ITS BECAUSE KEY PRIVATISED the electricity companys - its the very neo liberalism seymour spouts thats responsible.
I HATE LYING MANIPULATING POLITICANS AND THE RIGHT WING DOES IT THE MOST
6min seymour accuses chloe of one sound bite after another - yet seeless seymour and peters are the worst for meaningless soundbite rhetoric. Not only did seymour not have a fact up to here or probably after Chloe actually said look at our economic package/policy on the webpage to see how we will do it.
For eg the useless wanker seeless seymour went on to give eg of regulation "builders say it takes twice as long to get permission to build a house and why people living in poverty , thats why its hard to get a house"
ABSOLUTE LIES AND BULLSHIT
its not permits that slow bulding its lack of tradies and builders - builders plan ahead unless you think capitalism doesnt work seymour and private is inefficient. House shortages are many reson including capitalism failing and needing import people to maintain growth and othre factors of handouts to wealthy in covid and wealth accumulation of housing by speculators and landlords , the 1% under capitalism.
Note seymours a wanker cause he likes to pleasure himself with his lies and rhetoric
I HATE LYING MANIPULATING POLITICANS AND THE RIGHT WING DOES IT THE MOST
@7min Seymour - theres 2 major problems with dairying - apart from methane,. You left out
1) its inefficient land and resource use for food.
2) and its unhealthy for humans - half the world cant digest it - your forcing it on asians who dont drink it, all for profit not the good of society
I HATE LYING MANIPULATING HYPOCRITCAL POLITICANS who use ad hominen mostly the right wing- seymour @9min (after telling chloe shes full of sound bite - ) says chloe personally "wants to tax everything and destroy the nz economy".
Richard Prebble , explains why he left the Waitangi Tribunal. Thats not the important part, skip to ignorant anti socialist bs at 2m50s .
Im going to summarise 3 comments i made where Prebble either lies malevolently or hes an ignorant idiot like most right wingers.
1) @2m50s Prebbles claims communist countrys killed millions and failed to bring equality .
Theres never been a communist country or state. Yes attempts at communism led to deaths so did creating capitalism . In fact capitalism killed more and took way way longer.
2) Communisms goal IS NOT equality its worker sovereignty and freedom from exploitation by capitalists "
3) @5min Prebble claims Maori were guaranteed property rights or citizenship -
WRONG - neither were in the Tiriti - Maori were guaranteed possession of their land and treasures
- Maori were guaranteed protection as Queens subjects
Rights and citizenship are a white mans coloniser liberal idea and require a govt/state to implement
Maori were socialists (primative communists) and didnt have concept or action of property ownership or rights, they operated under tikanga law and others like utu.
These are both projections of ACTs liberal and neo-liberal agenda (along with Seymours treaty bill) onto the Te Tiriti o Waitangi
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